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    Charles MarksCharlie
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    I'm a 22 year old male that has centainly made improvements since going traditionally gluten free, then symptoms returned, then went all grain free and saw good results.  I've been all grain free and following all Dr. O's advice for about 3 weeks.  My symptoms were severe mentail problems ranging from lack of reality, depression, anxiety, disturbances, personality changes, eye pain, high low mood changes, and every other function disorder that we name.  I played sports, went to school, had lots of friends and enjoyed so many things.   That all ended after i turned 20 now I'm 22, and that time in between I didnt go to school, and didn't talk to anybody.   This lasted for 2 years straight, it never went away, not for one minute in those 2 years.  I found myself adjusting as a person, which was the only relief, but wasn't any relief actually.  Now that I'm all grain free, I have this feeling that I'm recovering and feeling more myself.  If I get glutenized, the mental disturbances come rushing back, then vanish after a few days.  I've gotten Elisa Act allergen tested and am reactive to corn sugar, rye, dairy, tomatoes, sulphites, mold, and onions, and red dye.  I'm following those and trying to get spetracell tested and follow those results.  

    These are some questions I have….I don't mess around with secondary glutenization by only eating grass fed meat, but should i be eating range free chicken, and that goes along with range free eggs also?    Second……Has there been something in particular patients with mental fogginess, or depression as main symptoms have had really strong responses to?  Such as a common vitamin supplement, or elimination of certain foods?  I assume there is correlation between a specific problem and similarity of symtpoms among different patients.  I don't think we are really taht different from one another because most of us are affected by gluten.  

     

    #8873

    Hi Mark,

    Thanks for chiming in.  Yes you should avoid chicken and eggs from non organic non free range sources. 

    Patients who suffer from the mental components of gluten senstiivty commonly have vitamin B-12 deficiency.  Spectracell testing helps to identify this along with a complete blood count test. 

    You can always try vitamin B-12 as well.  The link below is for methylcobalamin – a specialized B-12 (gluten free) that absorbs very quickly.

     

    All the best,

    Dr. OsborneWink

    #8874
    Charles MarksCharlie
    Member

    Thanks for replying

    I don't notice an actual link in this post, but at least I have the information

     

    #8875
    #8881
    Charles MarksCharlie
    Member

    First question:  is blue bonnet vitamin B12 supplement truelly gluten free?

     

    2nd question:  Is there gluten in chicken that was free range because I know these birds eat a lot of grains even though they roam around.  On dogtorj's website he says gluten stored in animals that we eat is scientifically proven and that an autistic child was doing well, then was fallinga asleep after eating chicken.  They then changed the source and there wasn't a problem.  I think I get symptomatic after eating free range chickn and or eggs.    

    #8882
    Jacqueline ScarbroughJackie Scarbrough
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    I was also wondering the same thing about free range chickens (being fed grains).  The source I was looking into getting them from (locally) said they do feed them corn.  Although I have read somewhere that you can feed chickens coconut, just not sure how many farms do this or if even most/all free range chickens were also fed either corn or soy.

    On the same subject: Is it that the grain from non-grass fed beef gets into the meat or just that because cows weren't meant to digest grains that it is hard on their systems and stress that reduces the nutritional value of the meat?   

    #8883

    No one has studied whether gluten from the diet of animals gets into the meat (to my knowledge).  I will have to call Dogtor J and ask him about this.  He is an avid reader of the literature and may have come accross some studies that I am not aware of.  Thanks for the tip.

    Clinically, I see many people react to beef, chicken, and fish that are fed grains.

    The main issue is the health of the animal.  Remember that the cardinal rule of nutrition is that we cannot acheive health eating unhealthy foods.  Cows, chickens, and fish were not designed to eat grain as their dietary staples.  Doing so changes the chemical composition of the meat.  Higher in disease promoting fats and lower in nutrient content.

    As far as Bluebonnet's B-12.  I cannot comment.  They have multiple b-12 products and the ingredients might vary in each of them.  I would call the company and ask for an allergen spec sheet.  

     

    Have a great weekend!

    Dr. OsborneSmile 

    #8885
    Charles MarksCharlie
    Member

    when I first went gluten free, I wasn't eating any grains and eveything was good, but then there was a time where I felt return of symptoms 2 hours after eating a steak salad.  I drive by the place where that meat came from and I can see they have animal feed which looks like grains.  Now I eat meat that is garenteed 100% grass fed, and I don't have problems.  It's hard to be sure whats going on, but I am sure of how I feel.  In my situation, it's not easy to discuss, but my personailty becomes really weird and outof controll, which usually happens after I eat or drink something that causes it.  EVERYBODY, even smart respectable people, assert to me that it has nothing to do with food, and that I need physcological help.  It isn't fun.  I'm extra careful about not ingesting any gluten, and I find my personaility in control.  Anyway, it's very interesting to me to hear from Dr. Osborne that many patients react to grain fed animals because that wouldn't make my own reactions seem so crazy.  One purpose of writting this is to see if other people have similar problems, but otherwise, it seems I am fine until I eat or drink something that causes symptoms, which always ends up having hidden corn, rice, or other glutens.  I assume it falls under food allergies/leaky gut/brain is why I have reactions, and that overtime, those irregularities will stabilize, and a little gluten by accident won't cause symptoms.

    #8886
    Jacqueline ScarbroughJackie Scarbrough
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    Mark, I can definately relate to what you describe as personality changes when eating/drinking certain things.  You're right, it isn't fun, especially when you try so hard.  Hang in there, it sounds like you're on the right track.  Trust what your body is telling you.  I think it sounds like you're doing great. 

    Thanks for checking into it Dr. O, it is something I have been curious/wondering about.  Maybe you and Dogtor J. should do a study! Laugh

    Jackie

    #8887
    Charles MarksCharlie
    Member

    Thats good to hear about weird personality immediate effects of gluten, and I've come across dozens of testimonies to this.  But I am doing well and following the diet isn't stressing or hard for me, even when a room of 100 people are starring at me wondering why I'm not drinking the beer.  The only problem is when I get glutenized, which is still bad, but not as bad, so I hope there won't be an immediate reaction in the future.

    #8895
    schwzgrp schwzgrpschwzgrp
    Member

    Mark said:

    when I first went gluten free, I wasn't eating any grains and eveything was good, but then there was a time where I felt return of symptoms 2 hours after eating a steak salad.  I drive by the place where that meat came from and I can see they have animal feed which looks like grains.  Now I eat meat that is garenteed 100% grass fed, and I don't have problems.  It's hard to be sure whats going on, but I am sure of how I feel.  In my situation, it's not easy to discuss, but my personailty becomes really weird and outof controll, which usually happens after I eat or drink something that causes it.  EVERYBODY, even smart respectable people, assert to me that it has nothing to do with food, and that I need physcological help.  It isn't fun.  I'm extra careful about not ingesting any gluten, and I find my personaility in control.  Anyway, it's very interesting to me to hear from Dr. Osborne that many patients react to grain fed animals because that wouldn't make my own reactions seem so crazy.  One purpose of writting this is to see if other people have similar problems, but otherwise, it seems I am fine until I eat or drink something that causes symptoms, which always ends up having hidden corn, rice, or other glutens.  I assume it falls under food allergies/leaky gut/brain is why I have reactions, and that overtime, those irregularities will stabilize, and a little gluten by accident won't cause symptoms.


     

    Mark – I'm new here, however, in reading your post I can relate.  I've said for years that I wish I could go back to myself (the person I know I am).  I get terrible moods, just down right hateful and NOT ME.  Since I've been GF the real me has come back, but when I eat corn or accidently glutenize myself, the bad person is back and it's so hard to try to remember that it's not really me and that it will pass.  I think we are both on the right track.  Validation is a wonderful tool.  Use it.

    #8901
    Charles MarksCharlie
    Member

    Does anyone have anything that resolves the problems they do have when getting glutenized?  As said before, my mood, personality, and reality become dark, negative, and weird for a couple of days, what I suspect happens after ingesting gluten.  A week ago I had two quality local hard apple ciders, and the following days I was extremely anti social and angry.  I recovered, then a week later ended up having the same hard cider again and the following days I was dark and moody and really not myself.  Anyone have success with feeling like they can get gluten out of their system quicker?

     

    #8903

    Mark,

    Try Max Digest.  It is an enzyme formula that helps to break down gluten.  But ultimately, you are probably better off avoiding the ciderWink

    #8905
    Lori Quandtfarmwife67
    Member

    Alcohol also has fungus in it. You may want to think about being tested for Candida. I'm seeing gluten intolerance and candida go hand and hand for a lot of people. (just a thought)

    #8927
    Charles MarksCharlie
    Member

    To Schwaz

     

    What you said about when gluten get ingested, and how the personality become so affected that you don't even have the reality that its just gluten doing it and its not really yourself.  It's amazing how when it happens I give up all hope, even though I still know it is just the gluten, but it feels so real.  I never had these terrbile personality problems in my life before, it happened so quickly and unpredictably in my life that when it did happen, what was I supposed to think?  by knowing its gluten doesn't help when it is actually happening to me.  It really attacks my highest cognitive self and is the worst thing anyone could experience.

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